Send in your letter. ATF was advised by the first manufacturer to submit an arm brace for classification that the intent of the arm brace was to facilitate one-handed firing of the AR15 pistol for those with limited strength or mobility due to a handicap, and to reduce bruising to the forearm when firing with one hand. Of course, that was good money. When I was twenty-five I was amazed at how much he had learned in eight years.” Geoff, I like your comments. the one thing worse than a whining ex leo is a inbred redneck whining ex leo PIG. . ATF3 Stands For: All acronyms (4) Airports & Locations Business & Finance Common Government & Military (2) Medicine & … Just, finished eating and I do have to get busy on this deer. But even in 1934, exempting […] The significance of the ATF in American history is undeniable; albeit controversial at times. If you were a lefty, you made it work. Look at the calendar. Peripheral Accessories. Keep Your Powder Dry. Addressed above beginning at where the NFA definition of “pistol” is quoted. The ATF’s involvement in the Waco siege began in May 1992 with investigating a telephone call from the Sheriff about a package of firearms, inert grenade casings, and black powder that had broken open upon delivery to the religious compound by a UPS driver. The method of attachment of the stabilizing brace, to include modified stock attachments, extended receiver extensions, and the use of spacers. 13,021 comments as of noon yesterday. As far as tough (that’s the correct spelling) goes my first job was in the local tobacco fields. This is a measurement for rifles and shotguns used to accommodate shooters of different sizes. Now just who are the scoff laws. Obviously Trump topped Obama on everything and did more in only 4 years. This is the single most horrific statement I have ever seen from a federal agency! I’d never install one. All it takes is for a majority of POTG to bend to the fear for it to be effective. According to this manufacturer, the brace concept was inspired by the needs of disabled combat veterans who still enjoy recreational shooting but could not reliably control heavy pistols without assistance. I used a FUDD rifle! What are you talking about? A shooter with a brace-equipped firearm that results in an apparent upward or downward trajectory, whether due to the alignment of the brace or due to the shooter’s disability, can compensate for said trajectory. Sigh! This keeps you from allowing others to try out and practice with your weapon. The pro-gun group Gun Owners of America pointed out in a press release that, contrary to the new guidance, the ATF has … Shopping from Court to Court to prolong the denial and fear. We can’t give up because “they” don’t give up. (my girlfiend taught me when it comes to telling stories always add a zero),,,,Whoop whoop. These sentences pretty much summarize my comments as submitted. In a 16 page draft copy of proposed rulemaking/guidance specifying "Objective Factors for Classifying Stablizing Braces", the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has proposed entering into rulemaking to delineate the objective factors considered when "evaluating firearms with an attached stabilizing brace to determine whether they are considered firearms under … The Democrats love the man, hence why Antifa was created. Next, and attorneys differ on their opinions about this, the upper was assembled to the lower with the inclusion of the KaliKey so as to make it a single-shot action. Sorry, but ATF does not get to invent restrictions in the law that do not exist. I’m going to bookmark this one and read it a few more times to absorb the excellent arguments. You know. Don’t be surprised when the Democrats do the same as the Republicans but make even crazier arguments, such as saying magazines are weapons of mass destruction (a Bush era term). They even destroyed a large amount of stocks, from a single company, using a chipper as they filmed it for the public to watch. This has never been implied by ATF previously, nor has it taken anything of the sort into any of its past stabilizing brace determinations. 2896 (2010). SB Tactical SBA3, Gear Head Works Tailhook Mod 2, etc). Short barreled rifles, being a tiny little fraction of the “rifles” category (yet legally owned by well over 400,000 Americans and only a hacksaw away from use by any criminal), are patently not likely to be used for criminal purposes and the data very clearly bear this out. Here’s how the rights of Americans have fared under a Democrat trifecta in the halls of power over the last century. Perhaps worse, or at least most insulting, much of the alleged guidance found in the document contradicts ATF’s own rulings and practices, past and current. Uh look here you f k n snot nosed punk.. … just because you dont have the wrist strength to properly hold a 1911 is not the guns problem…… it’s your problem for being a limp wristed H O M O. Well, I’m a bet peckish, so I’m going to finish off my seaweed salad and sushi from last night. “Secondary Grip. theyre not just out of stock What do these abbreviations mean? At least, submitting a comment can truly matter. theyre not even listed as an available item to purchase. with the rampant corruption in all of our “letter”agencys the idea of re-doing the regs is not a good idea. . Type and Caliber. They’re not likely to issue any rulings that contradict the progressive world order anyway. And below: Pistols have shipped from the factory with accessories such as those described by ATF’s “peripheral accessories” guideline for decades without a peep from ATF. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. “This firearm is a pistol,” and “this accessory does not change the classification of a pistol.” Boom, done. I don’t own any. SPONSORED In a not so shocking turn of events, Joe Biden’s presidential transition team has met with ATF Acting Director Regina Lombardo and Associate Deputy Director Marvin Richardson with the goal being to ban pistol braces and 80% lowers. The comparative function of the attachment when utilized as a stabilizing brace compared to its alternate use as a shouldering device; The design of the stabilizing brace compared to known shoulder stock designs; The amount of rear contact surface area of the stabilizing brace that can be used in shouldering the weapon as compared to the surface area necessary for use as a stabilizing brace; The material used to make the attachment that indicates whether the brace is designed and intended to be pressed against the shoulder for support, or actually used on the arm; Any shared or interchangeable parts with known shoulder stocks; Any other feature of the brace that improves the weapon’s effectiveness from the shoulder-firing position without providing a corresponding benefit to the effectiveness of the stability and support provided by the brace’s use on the arm. Part of what I said to my Congressman and two Senators (up for Georgia run off so who knows if they are paying any attention): “No single factor or combination of factors is necessarily dispositive, and FATD examines each weapon holistically on a case-by-case basis.”. ATF, the United States Navy hull classification symbol for a fleet ocean tug; ATF Dingo, a German heavily armored military infantry mobility vehicle; 1 ATF, the 1st Australian Task Force, which commanded Australian and New Zealand's troops in the Vietnam War Everything I said related to type and caliber applies in identical fashion to weight and length. All you have to do is spend several thousand dollars to attend a LE academy and pin on a badge and strap on a duty belt. I’d like to know because I’m not aware of them. Except in Florida if you have a valid hunting license you can walk out the door with a long gun. The GOV closed it it down a week early tried again today still closed. They’re a little hard to pick out among the fourteen other shoulder mounts hanging around them. By requiring fair notice of what is punishable and what is not, vagueness doctrine also helps prevent arbitrary enforcement of the laws. a “pistol” may not fire a cartridge exceeding 1,000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. He’s hanging next to the 140 B&C 205 lb 8 pt I killed about 1000 yards away a year before. So at least render a do no harm approach to us law abiding gun owners, train with your cool stuff, we’ll train and have fun with our cool stuff, and the world and America’s heartbeat is safe! A lot of young gun owners are going to be very pissed at Republicans. Or the pistol brace. Okay, onto the “objective factors” list now: Weight and Length. Required fields are marked *. ATF will consider the comments it receives before finalizing this guidance. Bracing against one’s cheek was even a suggested remedy back when ATF declared the shouldering of pistol stabilizing braces to be illegal…and then reversed itself. Also, for the most part, one-handed pistol shooting is not taught anymore (including by your own agency, and all other LE organizations.) Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The batfags don’t give two shits what you or I have to say about arm braces. Never did I think he would be more aggressive against gun owners than Obama. [T]he NFA’s minimum size rules (and the ATF’s interpretations thereof) are an absurd anachronism. If the aim point when using the arm brace attachment results in an upward or downward trajectory that could not accurately hit a target, this may indicate the attachment was not designed as a stabilizing brace. This is a complete infringement of our constitutional right. The ATF now wants the firearm to fit the person without defining the rules. If they get this one without a fight because nobody on our side felt any urgency, the leftist bastards will have the ATF chasing down something we DO own all the sooner. Pistols are capable of great accuracy, and using an optic to take advantage of that is entirely reasonable. We can’t give up trying to keep at bay those entities (whether individuals or governmental agencies) working to take away our freedoms & liberties. 2) Semi-auto What assault rifles? And I have SBRs with paperwork. This includes, but is not limited to, the installation of bipods/monopods that improve the accuracy of heavy weapons designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder; or the inclusion of a magazine or drum that accepts so many cartridges that it increases the overall weight of the firearm to a degree that it is impractical to fire the weapon with one hand even with the assistance of a stabilizing brace. This can take up to a year and any letter given to you is only for you. So in the end it’s the ATF against a few million people that own stuff they are trying to ban and make disappear. Even a heavy decision wiping all this away would be ignored. This is impossible and it makes no sense. Appropriate aim point when utilizing the attachment as a stabilizing brace. I copied this and submitted it as part of my comment against extending and further clouding the NFA’s silly regulations. Does the atf want to ban braces? C’mon man. Don’t think that you’re the only one risking getting on the vindictive ATF radar. Sorry. Like 1911s and S&W mod 19s, and M1 garands ?! Another option would be a demented family member. It does nothing other than create uncertainty and confirm that ATF does not want to be held accountable. left a public comment as well as contacted the White House and our representatives, “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with Stabilizing Braces” document, https://www.historycentral.com/Revolt/stories/Hang.html. ITS NOT A FIREARM. First, what is a “pistol,” anyway? You’re correct, however, that any sales of full-function AR pistols within CA are illegal. So quit complaining about it. If a brace is of a length that makes it impractical to attach to the shooter’s wrist or forearm, then that may demonstrate that it is not designed as a brace but rather for shoulder fire. A Redneck walked up to me one day at the gas station and said, ” Well I had to go bi-sex-ual ” I said “What do you mean you Had to go bisexual?” He said ” Well my sister ran off and my cousin, she wants paid for it, yup I had to go buy sex you all” ,,, first by possum on TTAG, dont want that one getting stole. Oh, it takes the installation of a stabilizing brace for ATF to consider these rifles? A agency not falling under Constitutional authorization,issuing un Constitutional edicts further violating “We The Peoples Constitutional rights”,that Congress and said agency was strictly prohibited from those violations. No one has since the 70’s. Dont know about all that, but hey the revolver pictured in the articles heading should be issued to all BATFE agents. This proposed guidance says that it does not have the effect and force of law . 4 hours ago "Proud boys, stand back and stand by, but I tell you what, somebody has got to do something about ... "Stand back and stand by": Trump declines to condemn white supremacists at debate Then you get to experience what it is like to be a New Zealander. On another subject, what do you think about the liberals recruiting Fox News into their voter fraud conspiracy, even Lou Dobbs is admitting there was no voting machine fraud. I don’t need a CCW. Trump even doubled down on Obama’s import restrictions. Furthermore, how is this practical or in any way tenable? The ATF must make determinations on firearms and on accessories. There are also many shoulder stocks on the market with extremely short lengths of pull for nearly every type of rifle (example). Required fields are marked *. Obama’s biggest victories were strengthening IP law, increasing corporatism in medical care, bailing out corporations with tax money and renewing Republicans’ tyrannical police state policies. Here is a look at per capita weapons data, based on the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and 2013 data from the U.S. Census. There is no way any sworn officer can possibly be abreast of current laws and regs, so I never bring my AR pistol to the local range, but rather train with it when out in the desert, or when visiting neighboring NV or AZ. You just can’t kill them when they’re young. U.S. The term ORI that is located on the FBI/ATF FD-258 fingerprint cards is short for originating agency identification. This is a pistol classification question unrelated to braces. You also do not have to even be a gun owner to comment. Every day you wake up you’re a day closer to death. My response to the ATF deals with how that proposal impacts disabled citizens, and will likely be ruled a violation of the ‘Americans with Disabilities Act’, a law with serious teeth in it to force compliance on those that dare to violate it. Let’s keep pushing. At 16 I went to work at my uncle’s service station. In fact, the United States Constitution holds that vagueness in the law is a violation of due process. The FD-258 fingerprint cards are used in many services other than the ATF NFA application process. Click HERE to go directly to the public comment page, and for more information and ideas for comment topics, click below: It’s Time: Make Yourself Heard RE ATF’s Latest Attack on Pistol Braces. That fudd is an idiot. Oh, just so you know. Of course, he didn’t out weigh the 230 lb 8 pt I killed five miles west of my front door. The “length of pull” refers to the distance from the trigger to the point at which a stock meets the shoulder. Nobody. 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